Now it was on to the right leading edge. The same boring prep work as before. Cleco, match drill, dis assemble, deburr everything, try to deburr the ribs, use the dremmel.
Cleaned up the nose rib tips as much as possible....long process with those. First go over segmented flange with a small round file, then a flat file, then smooth with a dremmel, then finish with maroon scotchbrite. I then dimpled the nose ribs.
It was such a beautiful day out, I threw in the towel and called it a day!
Saturday, April 30, 2016
Friday, April 29, 2016
Riveted the left leading edge - 5 hours
I finally managed a good long day. Getting home early from work, I was ready to rivet the left leading edge. First order of business before riveting was to remove the primer from the stall warner bracket to allow a good ground for the wiring. The dremmel tool made easy work of it.
Then I began to cleco the leading edge assembly together. Never an easy task to get the nose ribs in and clecoe'd up as everything is a nice snug fit. Slow and easy is key, A tap here and a tap there. At one point I removed all the celco's and re-cleco'd
I started the first couple of rivets with the 4" no hole squeezer but I had a tough time getting rivets to squeeze nice and straight so I was drilling out a few rivets and re-setting them. I then switched over to the bucking bar. It's been quite a long time since I have bucked rivets so again...drilling out a few here and there. After about 20 rivets then I began to hit my stride. I did as much as I could, but found that I was having trouble setting the rivets in the nose as the curved surface was making it difficult to get the gun to stay in place. Not wanting to wreck anything I stopped and decided to wait for another day when I could have a bucking partner to help with setting the rivets.
Then I began to cleco the leading edge assembly together. Never an easy task to get the nose ribs in and clecoe'd up as everything is a nice snug fit. Slow and easy is key, A tap here and a tap there. At one point I removed all the celco's and re-cleco'd
I started the first couple of rivets with the 4" no hole squeezer but I had a tough time getting rivets to squeeze nice and straight so I was drilling out a few rivets and re-setting them. I then switched over to the bucking bar. It's been quite a long time since I have bucked rivets so again...drilling out a few here and there. After about 20 rivets then I began to hit my stride. I did as much as I could, but found that I was having trouble setting the rivets in the nose as the curved surface was making it difficult to get the gun to stay in place. Not wanting to wreck anything I stopped and decided to wait for another day when I could have a bucking partner to help with setting the rivets.
Thursday, April 28, 2016
Priming Left leading edge ribs - Finished stall warn assembly - 3.5 hours
I managed to spend a good amount of time in the garage tonight. I had set up the washtubs to use the Chem-brite 218 that I had bought a few weeks ago. The process was simple. Scuff with scotchbrite, wipe with MEK, Bath in Chem-brite, rinse, wipe with MEK and Prime. Sounds like a lot of steps but it's very quick and the chem-brite acid does a great job.
Now that the ribs are drying, I moved onto finishing the W-432 joint plate nutplate riviting. All went extremely well and quick.
Then...I was back riveting the stall warner assembly.
Assembly of the stall warner is a little tricky. you really have to pay attention to the washer thicknesses. It matters and on the first round I didn't get it right. So a quick disassemble and reassemble and I was finished.
It works pretty slick.
Now that the ribs are drying, I moved onto finishing the W-432 joint plate nutplate riviting. All went extremely well and quick.
Then...I was back riveting the stall warner assembly.
Assembly of the stall warner is a little tricky. you really have to pay attention to the washer thicknesses. It matters and on the first round I didn't get it right. So a quick disassemble and reassemble and I was finished.
It works pretty slick.
Wednesday, April 27, 2016
More Preparing the Left leading edge - 3 hours
I had decided to change the order of process with priming. Do you prime and then dimple, or dimple then prime? Well with the 2 part epoxy that I had originally started out with, priming then dimpling worked just fine. But now that I have switched to self etching primer is another story. Seems that dimpling after priming has a tenancy to scuff the primer exposing the metal in some areas.
So from now on with the self etching primer I will prime after dimpling and see how that goes. I wasted no time setting up. I scuffed up the areas that I want to prime, then I started dimpling.
Once I was done the dimpling I went back over everything with more maroon scotchbrite to ensure good adhesion. A round of degreaser and remover, a round of MEK, then a coat of primer.
Once that was done, now came the tedious task of deburring the nose ribs. I found that it is a bit tricky to deburr some of the holes as some burrs are stubborn to get out, and access to the inside holes is not easy. A dremmel tool with the scotchbrite wheel is your friend in this case. I also filed and smoothed out the nose ribs really well. Lots of work, but worth it. I finished the rib prep by dimpling.
So from now on with the self etching primer I will prime after dimpling and see how that goes. I wasted no time setting up. I scuffed up the areas that I want to prime, then I started dimpling.
Once I was done the dimpling I went back over everything with more maroon scotchbrite to ensure good adhesion. A round of degreaser and remover, a round of MEK, then a coat of primer.
Once that was done, now came the tedious task of deburring the nose ribs. I found that it is a bit tricky to deburr some of the holes as some burrs are stubborn to get out, and access to the inside holes is not easy. A dremmel tool with the scotchbrite wheel is your friend in this case. I also filed and smoothed out the nose ribs really well. Lots of work, but worth it. I finished the rib prep by dimpling.
Tuesday, April 26, 2016
Preparing the Left leading edge - 2.5 hours
Not much in the way of pictures. I match drilled the left leading edge assembly and removed the ribs. I then deburred the skin. All I need to do is prep and prime mating surfaces but I want to have a little more time to start down that road.
So not wanting to dive into a whole load of work so late, I riveted on the K1100-08 nutplates to the splice plates. Always a good feeling to rivet! Means stuff is ready to go together.
So not wanting to dive into a whole load of work so late, I riveted on the K1100-08 nutplates to the splice plates. Always a good feeling to rivet! Means stuff is ready to go together.
Monday, April 25, 2016
Need a break from the fuel tanks, To the leading edge - 2 hours
Just need a break from the tanks. I just feel like I need to make bigger steps so I have decided to move over to the leading edge. I'll finish the stall warn device and leading edges and rivet them up. Just good to get on to something different.
I had picked up some aluma-brite 218 on the advice of another builder and I've been dying to give it a try, So after deburring, scuffing, and dimpling I set up and applied it to the stall warning assembly and the splice plates. It does a pretty good job. As soon as I wash it off it is apparent that it works. Water sticks well to the cleaned surface...very nice.
I then primed the pieces. I choose to use the 2-part epoxy as it stands up to abuse better than the self etching stuff, so I used it on these parts. (I will also use it on the leading edge nose)
I had picked up some aluma-brite 218 on the advice of another builder and I've been dying to give it a try, So after deburring, scuffing, and dimpling I set up and applied it to the stall warning assembly and the splice plates. It does a pretty good job. As soon as I wash it off it is apparent that it works. Water sticks well to the cleaned surface...very nice.
I then primed the pieces. I choose to use the 2-part epoxy as it stands up to abuse better than the self etching stuff, so I used it on these parts. (I will also use it on the leading edge nose)
Saturday, April 23, 2016
Fuel tank trap door - 2.5 hours
I managed to pick-up the proper hinge (MS20257-3) so I moved back onto the fuel tanks. Figuring out how to best set up the trap door took an amount of head scratching. The trick is that you can't really follow the plans for the upper hinge as the depressed ring pattern on the rib prevents placing a rivet where needed. Looking at other build sites, one method employed is to leave the top hinge longer to bridge the gap. The next challenge is to layout the hinge so that there is good support of the hinge loops. In my opinion it is much better to have 2 loops per side.
Lots of sketching, checking, moving, re checking. It's not so straight forward.
This is the final version of the layout I chose
I then drilled to #40 and then countersunk the trap plate for a NAS oops rivet. My opinion is that the NAS rivet should be alright here as this is not a part that is subjected to stresses. However, since I only have two rivets to hold the top hinge I have decided to countersink the thicker hinge material for an AN426AD3 rivet.
Most important I thought in the process was to install a spacer under the top hinge the same thickness of the trap plate so that is sits flat against the rib.
Mental note.....MEK does not take off sharpie marker on hinge material!!! Nothing seems to.
I even tried buffing and sanding it off...GRRRR!
Lots of sketching, checking, moving, re checking. It's not so straight forward.
This is the final version of the layout I chose
I then drilled to #40 and then countersunk the trap plate for a NAS oops rivet. My opinion is that the NAS rivet should be alright here as this is not a part that is subjected to stresses. However, since I only have two rivets to hold the top hinge I have decided to countersink the thicker hinge material for an AN426AD3 rivet.
Most important I thought in the process was to install a spacer under the top hinge the same thickness of the trap plate so that is sits flat against the rib.
Mental note.....MEK does not take off sharpie marker on hinge material!!! Nothing seems to.
I even tried buffing and sanding it off...GRRRR!
Friday, April 22, 2016
To proseal or not to proseal
So the big question of the day is how much of the NAS1473-A08 nutplates and stiffner ring assembly should I proseal. The plans state that I don't have to proseal any of it. (Under 'Assembling the Fuel Tanks' 4th paragraph undet the heading 'Final preparations'). I notice though that many build logs use proseal and do everything.
The manual states that the gasket under the access plate will seal the rivets so there is no need to set them with sealant.
This makes me a bit uneasy. My tooling holes are awefully close to the edge of my stiffener ring/access cover. I plan to use seal-tite in lieu of the cork gasket...but I do want to run some proseal between the rib and ring to make sure that the tooling hole is covered.
Question is....Do i need to proseal anything else?
The manual states that the gasket under the access plate will seal the rivets so there is no need to set them with sealant.
This makes me a bit uneasy. My tooling holes are awefully close to the edge of my stiffener ring/access cover. I plan to use seal-tite in lieu of the cork gasket...but I do want to run some proseal between the rib and ring to make sure that the tooling hole is covered.
Question is....Do i need to proseal anything else?
Stall Warn System - 1.5 hours
I'm waiting on my hinge to finish the fuel tank trap door, so I decided to move back onto the stall warn system now that I have all the needed odd drill bit sizes.
I opened up the holes in the leading edge to #10 and then used a dremel with cutting disk to carefully cut the slot. Then I used a dremel with 600 grit on a mandrel to polish the opening.
Then I match drilled the mounting holes and countersunk the holes. I deburred the leading edge bracket and dimpled the holes. Took a little time to fiddle with the countersinks to get them right. All that I need to do is prime the parts and start assembling.
I opened up the holes in the leading edge to #10 and then used a dremel with cutting disk to carefully cut the slot. Then I used a dremel with 600 grit on a mandrel to polish the opening.
Then I match drilled the mounting holes and countersunk the holes. I deburred the leading edge bracket and dimpled the holes. Took a little time to fiddle with the countersinks to get them right. All that I need to do is prime the parts and start assembling.
Thursday, April 21, 2016
Little bit of riveting on the tank mods - 2.5 hours
I cleaned the #2 ribs and the hole blanks really well with MEK. I was careful to ensure correct orientations of the blanks (always a pain when you just wanna get it done). I decided to dimple the parts and backrivet.
Then next I needed to countersink Rib #1 for the access plate nut plates. I decided to go oops rivets for those and not dimple.
I'm fairly certain that I don't need to proseal these when attaching the nutplates. The plans say don't do it. I am using the NAS1473-A08 nutplates...Seems like everyone seals them with proseal.....but I'm thinking I don't have to. Nobody seals the standard nutplate method. The seal around the access plate takes care of any potential leaks. Hmmm. Need to read up on this.
I machined countersunk the anti-hangup bracket and backriveted the assembly with AN426AD3 rivets. I will wait until I get into proseal before I rivet it to the access plate.
All that's left to do is fit up the inner anti-holdup bracket, the fuel vent line and locate the fuel sender on the baffle plate. Then I am ready to dive into proseal!
Then next I needed to countersink Rib #1 for the access plate nut plates. I decided to go oops rivets for those and not dimple.
I'm fairly certain that I don't need to proseal these when attaching the nutplates. The plans say don't do it. I am using the NAS1473-A08 nutplates...Seems like everyone seals them with proseal.....but I'm thinking I don't have to. Nobody seals the standard nutplate method. The seal around the access plate takes care of any potential leaks. Hmmm. Need to read up on this.
I machined countersunk the anti-hangup bracket and backriveted the assembly with AN426AD3 rivets. I will wait until I get into proseal before I rivet it to the access plate.
All that's left to do is fit up the inner anti-holdup bracket, the fuel vent line and locate the fuel sender on the baffle plate. Then I am ready to dive into proseal!
Wednesday, April 20, 2016
More anti-hangup brackets and clips - 2 hours
I had my buddy Griffin join me in the garage. He was lots of fun to work with....He's turning into a great pup.
I've been thinking on how to bend the clips for the fuel vent. I found that one of my screwdrivers was the perfect diameter and used it to bend the clips. Not the easiest to do. I used 0.025" thick x 1/2" wide material. Little tough to get a tight curl around the screwdriver shaft. Slowly but surely I was able to get 2 that I was happy with. Another 2 less than perfect clips when in the garbage.
Since I was set up to drill the #40 holes, I turn my attention back to the anti-hangup brackets and drilled and cleco'd the rivet holes.
I've been thinking on how to bend the clips for the fuel vent. I found that one of my screwdrivers was the perfect diameter and used it to bend the clips. Not the easiest to do. I used 0.025" thick x 1/2" wide material. Little tough to get a tight curl around the screwdriver shaft. Slowly but surely I was able to get 2 that I was happy with. Another 2 less than perfect clips when in the garbage.
Since I was set up to drill the #40 holes, I turn my attention back to the anti-hangup brackets and drilled and cleco'd the rivet holes.
Tuesday, April 19, 2016
Anti-hangup brackets - 2 hours
Using the 1/2" wide x 0.032" thick strips that I cut yesterday. I went to work on fabricating the anti-hangup brackets that are used on the access plate. I wanted to make it usable and accessible (which the plans version isn't) if in the unlikely even I need to take the access plate off. Adopting a method used by the RV8 guys, I went for a spit design.
I needed to drill a mounting hole at the very bottom of the stiffener ring.
Then I cut and bent the brackets. I used scrap 0.025" strips to figure out the best method to bend all of the brackets. Nothing better than measure, mark, and bend with taped up hand seemers. Just with finger pressures, bends turned out nice. Had to make a few until I had the dimensions correct. But it turned out well.
Looks like it turned out pretty good. Happy with the result.
I needed to drill a mounting hole at the very bottom of the stiffener ring.
Then I cut and bent the brackets. I used scrap 0.025" strips to figure out the best method to bend all of the brackets. Nothing better than measure, mark, and bend with taped up hand seemers. Just with finger pressures, bends turned out nice. Had to make a few until I had the dimensions correct. But it turned out well.
Looks like it turned out pretty good. Happy with the result.
Monday, April 18, 2016
More tank fabrication - 2 hours
My first anti-rotation bracket attempt didn't sit well with me, there was just a small amount of play in it. I told myself that it would be just fine with a little proseal. But I just couldn't let it go. So I threw it out, and went to work on another one, The kit comes with 4 brackets, so I still have extras to work with. So i went to work, cut, file, file, check, file, check...and so on and so on. Nailed it!!!
Quite pleased with the fit. So now both L and R brackets are rock solid.
Then I started to fabricate 0.025" material for the trap door and for the fuel vent clips and for the anti-hangup bracket on rib #2. I also cut 0.032" material for the anti-hangup bracket on the access plate. I'm scratching my head on the 0.025" material for the trap door. Plans call for 0.020" material, but the kit does not come with scrap that thickness unless i want to cut into my trim tab or rudder skins. I decided to use 0.025"...can't possibly make too much of difference.
Quite pleased with the fit. So now both L and R brackets are rock solid.
Then I started to fabricate 0.025" material for the trap door and for the fuel vent clips and for the anti-hangup bracket on rib #2. I also cut 0.032" material for the anti-hangup bracket on the access plate. I'm scratching my head on the 0.025" material for the trap door. Plans call for 0.020" material, but the kit does not come with scrap that thickness unless i want to cut into my trim tab or rudder skins. I decided to use 0.025"...can't possibly make too much of difference.
Sunday, April 17, 2016
Outboard T-410 reinforcement plates and aerobatic tank fabrication - 5 hours
After a few days break from the build I mustered up the nerve to put in a good day finally. I started with the easy stuff. Using the old T-410 plates I drilled the outboard T-410 reinforcement plates and fitted them to the outboard ribs.
Next step was to fabricate the blanks that cover off the large hole on the #2 ribs. To me a while to figure this out as the plans don't call for it, but I decided to do this as most RV8 blogs use this modification for their areobatic tanks. Helps keep fuel in the inner cell longer while doing aerobatics obviously. I choose 0.025" thick material and a 2" x 2" dimension. It allowed for good edge distances (although not critical in this non-structural part).
Of course trying to get the plates centered took some figuring. Not quick and easy....took me a while to check, check and re-check.
Next on my agenda was to fabricate the anti-rotation brackets for the flop tubes. Again the plans don't call for this, but I do believe it to be a good idea to help stabilize the flop tube and minimize the chance of the bulkhead AN fitting rotating while tightening. I cut and filed the T-715 brackets that come with the kit to fit the AN fittings. Took lots of time but I managed to grind away with the files.
After, Mike came over and we put a good much of work in on the S-51 horizontal stabilizer. A full plane building day!
Next step was to fabricate the blanks that cover off the large hole on the #2 ribs. To me a while to figure this out as the plans don't call for it, but I decided to do this as most RV8 blogs use this modification for their areobatic tanks. Helps keep fuel in the inner cell longer while doing aerobatics obviously. I choose 0.025" thick material and a 2" x 2" dimension. It allowed for good edge distances (although not critical in this non-structural part).
Of course trying to get the plates centered took some figuring. Not quick and easy....took me a while to check, check and re-check.
Next on my agenda was to fabricate the anti-rotation brackets for the flop tubes. Again the plans don't call for this, but I do believe it to be a good idea to help stabilize the flop tube and minimize the chance of the bulkhead AN fitting rotating while tightening. I cut and filed the T-715 brackets that come with the kit to fit the AN fittings. Took lots of time but I managed to grind away with the files.
After, Mike came over and we put a good much of work in on the S-51 horizontal stabilizer. A full plane building day!
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