Not much to report. Riveted in the left rib #4. Same process as before, but things just clicked. The entire assembly went to together really well. Pictures are just after riveting just before cleanup.
At this point, I found it extremely difficult to clean up the flanges on the ribs of proseal. Since I have not yet encapsulated the rivet heads I decided to slather proseal on the top of flanges. I had never liked the look of it on other builds but in the end, I decided it was better to go slightly heavy rather than try to get cute with the proseal. I'm awfully terrified of having a leak and this is one way that I will sleep better at night about it. Proseal cleanliness and quality is really tough to do in tight spaces.
Sunday, May 29, 2016
Camrose Fly-in 2016
I had made arrangements to catch a ride out to the Camrose Fly-in with Darin (a local RV14 Builder). Mike (who is building an F1 Rocket and an Stewart S51) had also joined along. Camrose is about an hours drive away, but is a fairly large fly-in event. It attracts quite a number of planes and a good portion of the little towns population.
I was extremely keen on looking at all the RV's to compare my work with what others have done. Well...the very first RV7 made my knees a little week. What a beautiful example. C-GVCB was a beautiful plane. I admired the paint job, with its sharp lines and pin striping. Its build quality is exceptional. My heart sank a little as I think mine didn't measure up. I took a million pictures as I love the paint job!!!
Quite a selection of other planes...Of note I really like the Christian Eagles.
I then was back on scrutinizing all of the RV's. Taking note of how folks have finished certain items like the empennage tips. Some have feathered with fiberglass, some haven't. Either looks just fine to me.
Another beautiful example we C-FMWX which was stunning. I took note of how well built it was
Interestingly the builder has used camlock studs for much of the fiberglass attachments. I looks quite professional.
So it turns out that ALL RV's have bent tabs in lieu of riblets on the elevator and trim tabs. Most have screwed the wingtips on, one or two have riveted them on. In the end...it appears all have had some riveting troubles that I am experiencing on the wing tanks. You have to look really close as the paint hides much of the concern, but there where some examples of rivets that where canted just a bit on every planes tanks. I get the impression that I am not lonely with trying to get the riveting perfect on the tanks. Its tough to do!!
I was extremely keen on looking at all the RV's to compare my work with what others have done. Well...the very first RV7 made my knees a little week. What a beautiful example. C-GVCB was a beautiful plane. I admired the paint job, with its sharp lines and pin striping. Its build quality is exceptional. My heart sank a little as I think mine didn't measure up. I took a million pictures as I love the paint job!!!
Quite a selection of other planes...Of note I really like the Christian Eagles.
I then was back on scrutinizing all of the RV's. Taking note of how folks have finished certain items like the empennage tips. Some have feathered with fiberglass, some haven't. Either looks just fine to me.
Another beautiful example we C-FMWX which was stunning. I took note of how well built it was
Interestingly the builder has used camlock studs for much of the fiberglass attachments. I looks quite professional.
So it turns out that ALL RV's have bent tabs in lieu of riblets on the elevator and trim tabs. Most have screwed the wingtips on, one or two have riveted them on. In the end...it appears all have had some riveting troubles that I am experiencing on the wing tanks. You have to look really close as the paint hides much of the concern, but there where some examples of rivets that where canted just a bit on every planes tanks. I get the impression that I am not lonely with trying to get the riveting perfect on the tanks. Its tough to do!!
Saturday, May 28, 2016
Left Rib #5 - 2.5 hours
Ready for the second rib (Rib #5). Process was exactly the same as yesterday. Cleaned with MEK, acid etch the rib, more MEK. Proseal mix and application (About 35 grams)
Cleco the rib to the skin and began to buck.
Again...Few rivets didn't set as nice as I wanted. So I drilled them out and re-set. Very annoying and makes for a long night.
After a bit of cleanup I threw in the towel and called it a night. I'll need to encapsulate the rivets with sealant.
Cleco the rib to the skin and began to buck.
Again...Few rivets didn't set as nice as I wanted. So I drilled them out and re-set. Very annoying and makes for a long night.
After a bit of cleanup I threw in the towel and called it a night. I'll need to encapsulate the rivets with sealant.
Friday, May 27, 2016
Prosealing the first rib (#6) - 5.5 hours
Feeling confident with the proseal, I stoked off some more odds and ends. I put a dollop of proseal over the shop head of the drain flanges.
One of the recommendations in the 27 years of RVator is to proseal the rubber rings to the brass leads as they have a tenancy to come off over time. One of the concerns with this step is to not get any proseal on the fuel pickup openings. So I taped off what I could, wiped everything with MEK and then used a toothpick to get proseal in the grooves. Then installed the rubber o ring. Then I smeared the sealent to get good coverage. Then I figured it would be best to wipe the proseal such that the rubber is exposed as the wear point. I did not want the proseal coming off with the rubbing and getting into the fuel.
It was now time to get started on the ribs.The manual instructs to cleco the entire fuel tank assembly in the cradle to help ensure a straight tank. So I started with the left tank.
As suggested the first rib to start was 2nd last outboard rib (rib #6 counting from closest the plane). I unclecoed the rib. And wiped the area with MEK. And re-wiped. Inside and out.
I then wiped the the rib with MEK and placed it in a Rubbermaid container. I sprayed it down with the diluted Clean-Brite and let it sit for a minute. I rinsed with clean water, wiped with MEK. I mixed up about 35 grams of proseal and then slathered the skin with sealant. Then I slathered a coat on the rib. Installed it, and cleco'd the rib. Now for the riveting which I am dreading. Most scary is getting the nose rivets first....Just a tough angle for solo bucking. As I recently finished bucking the leading edge, I felt ok with these rivets. Straight away, I could see that back rivet tape was not going to work here, so I abandoned it in favor of just using the rivet gun right on the aluminum. Although, I began to notice that some of the rivets didn't kike to sit nice and level. About 3 were sitting a tad canted to one side. Annoyed, I pulled out the drill and drilled them out. Very annoyed trying to drill with the shavings and proseal and keep things clean. After some work I managed to get the offending rivets removed, wiped/cleaned, dab of proseal and set new rivets. Finally...first rib done.
Rivets are not perfect which kinda bug me. They are not bad by any means, but not as nice as the leading edge rivets. I'm beginning to think that the combination of a deeper dimple hole (as I used dimple dies) and the slippery proseal accentuates any rivet that is not sitting 100% perfect to buck a degree or two angled. Grrr...I'm a bit annoyed with this. Not to mention that everything gets pretty darn messy with the proseal.
One of the recommendations in the 27 years of RVator is to proseal the rubber rings to the brass leads as they have a tenancy to come off over time. One of the concerns with this step is to not get any proseal on the fuel pickup openings. So I taped off what I could, wiped everything with MEK and then used a toothpick to get proseal in the grooves. Then installed the rubber o ring. Then I smeared the sealent to get good coverage. Then I figured it would be best to wipe the proseal such that the rubber is exposed as the wear point. I did not want the proseal coming off with the rubbing and getting into the fuel.
It was now time to get started on the ribs.The manual instructs to cleco the entire fuel tank assembly in the cradle to help ensure a straight tank. So I started with the left tank.
As suggested the first rib to start was 2nd last outboard rib (rib #6 counting from closest the plane). I unclecoed the rib. And wiped the area with MEK. And re-wiped. Inside and out.
I then wiped the the rib with MEK and placed it in a Rubbermaid container. I sprayed it down with the diluted Clean-Brite and let it sit for a minute. I rinsed with clean water, wiped with MEK. I mixed up about 35 grams of proseal and then slathered the skin with sealant. Then I slathered a coat on the rib. Installed it, and cleco'd the rib. Now for the riveting which I am dreading. Most scary is getting the nose rivets first....Just a tough angle for solo bucking. As I recently finished bucking the leading edge, I felt ok with these rivets. Straight away, I could see that back rivet tape was not going to work here, so I abandoned it in favor of just using the rivet gun right on the aluminum. Although, I began to notice that some of the rivets didn't kike to sit nice and level. About 3 were sitting a tad canted to one side. Annoyed, I pulled out the drill and drilled them out. Very annoyed trying to drill with the shavings and proseal and keep things clean. After some work I managed to get the offending rivets removed, wiped/cleaned, dab of proseal and set new rivets. Finally...first rib done.
Rivets are not perfect which kinda bug me. They are not bad by any means, but not as nice as the leading edge rivets. I'm beginning to think that the combination of a deeper dimple hole (as I used dimple dies) and the slippery proseal accentuates any rivet that is not sitting 100% perfect to buck a degree or two angled. Grrr...I'm a bit annoyed with this. Not to mention that everything gets pretty darn messy with the proseal.
Thursday, May 26, 2016
Proseal of Odds and Ends - 2.5 hours
Managed to squeak in a bit of work this evening on some small stuff. I riveted on the fuel drain flange using the squeezer. Access with the no hole yoke is great and it went quick and easy. A bit tricky to keep the inside of the drain clear of proseal. Once the assembly was riveted I used a toothpick to remove the excess sealant.
Then, using the poly wipes, I worked at removing the excess proseal. The wipes do a nice job at removing the proseal as they are not sloppy wet (they are kind of dry) and since they are thin. Its really easy to get detailed and get clean edges on cleanup.
Next was to attach and seal the anti-rotation brackets for the aerobatic fuel pick-ups. I used a popsicle stick to dap the sealant where needed.
Using an AD6 rivet, I cut it down to the proper size to fill the outboard rib tooling holes. With a dap of proseal I wet set them and squeezed them (with thanks to my tandem alligator squeezer). Once done, a good dollop of sealant.
Monday, May 23, 2016
Proseal round 2 - 6 hours
One of the potential issues when back riveting the prosealed rivets is to be left with a protruding head in instances where the proseal is too thick around the rivet head. In my efforts to guard against this, i have chose to set the rivet head into the hole with a dolop of proseal, but after it is set, I give a bit of a swirl motion around the rivet head with my finger to ensure that there is no 'doughnut' of sealant around the rivet. The idea is that it is nice and flush when I put the back rivet tape (electrical tape) over the rivets.
I have used 3M green tape to protect the areas that I want to keep clean. It is important to do this work before you mix up the proseal. Ask me how I know.
I applied proseal to the skin to ensure all aluminum is covered. Then I back butter the stiffners. Ready to back rivet. Once done, then I made sure that i had a good fillet seal all the way round. Then I removed the tape and gave the skin a good cleaning with polywipes. I chose to keep the skin clean after riveting with a good wipe after, but I avoided cleaning up around the rivets themselves in efforts to make sure I had a good seal. I put proseal into a large veterinary feeding syringe and gave each rivet head a dolop of sealant.
Two tank skins...done. Ready for more!
I have used 3M green tape to protect the areas that I want to keep clean. It is important to do this work before you mix up the proseal. Ask me how I know.
I applied proseal to the skin to ensure all aluminum is covered. Then I back butter the stiffners. Ready to back rivet. Once done, then I made sure that i had a good fillet seal all the way round. Then I removed the tape and gave the skin a good cleaning with polywipes. I chose to keep the skin clean after riveting with a good wipe after, but I avoided cleaning up around the rivets themselves in efforts to make sure I had a good seal. I put proseal into a large veterinary feeding syringe and gave each rivet head a dolop of sealant.
Two tank skins...done. Ready for more!
Sunday, May 22, 2016
Proseal round 1 - 6 hours
Well the dreaded day starts. The very first attempt to work with proseal. Glad to get this going...Im a little past half way on the shelf life of the proseal. It's only good for 9 months after the date of purchase and I bought it back in January.
I needed to clean the skin, so I gave it all a good rub down with MEK. Next I used a acid cleaner/etcher called Clean-Brite 218 (mixed at about 15% strength) From www.chembrite.ca
Since the chem-brite is a powerful acid, it etches the aluminum and takes the mirror finish away and leaves the aluminum a bit cloudy in appearance. But it is instantly noticeable that the aluminum is clean and etched. It's also apparent that it has also cleaned the dimple holes as its run through the rivet holes.
Everything gets a wipe down again with a clean cloth, and then another once over with MEK.
Well I will say this. Mixing proseal up is a breeze. Just weigh the parts out (10:1) according to my components. and mix. I have jumbo craft popsicle sticks that I bought at Michaels craft store. Worked like a charm. Applying the proseal is a bit tricky with popsicle sticks.
I tackled the fuel filler cap first. I was sure to figure out my rivet call outs before starting proseal. I also grabbed to vent clips and put them in a visible location so I would not forget them.
(really hard to proseal and take pictures at the same time) so sorry....few pictures.
I used a toothpick to place proseal in the rivet holes. I then placed tape over the rivets and flipped the skin over. I backbuttered the skin and flange and installed the assembly. I then back riveted the fuel flange. made sure the vent clip was in the right place.
Once I was done, I painted a layer over top of the flange with proseal. I then bent the vent clip into position and touched up with proseal.
I cleaned up the proseal around the rivets with polywipes (available from Aircraft spruce). The wipes are fairly dry and to a great job of removing proseal. The fact that the wipes are dry is good since it mitigates the worry of compromising the proseal under the rivet head the way a wet MEK soaked rag may do.
Since I had a small amount of proseal left, I completed the right tank access anti-hangup bracket.
Ready for more....I decided to jump into the tank access rings. I used the same method as the fuel flange. Back buttered both pieces.
but then...this is where things get a bit ugly. I had posted a questions on Vans Airforce about how much of the NAS nutplates that I needed to encapsulate with proseal (as the manual states that I can leave the standard nutplates non-prosealed. The consensus was to seal them up. So I back buttered the top of the stiffener ring, cleaned out the screw hole, placed the NAS nutplate on and tried to rivet. Riveting these things is really tough. I cant really backrivet due to the tight clearance of the rivet to the nutplate body. So I elected to use the squeezer. Again....clearance is really tough and there is potential to not get a good seat on the rivet with the dies. I managed to screw up a few rivets and had to drill a few out. Not fun with proseal already on. Lots of cleaning and inspecting.
Once all was done and I was happy. I then set to work at sealing up the NAS nutplates.
I spent a good deal of time cleaning up the messy proseal to a point where i was happy with the end result. Not pretty but it's sealed well!!!
I needed to clean the skin, so I gave it all a good rub down with MEK. Next I used a acid cleaner/etcher called Clean-Brite 218 (mixed at about 15% strength) From www.chembrite.ca
Since the chem-brite is a powerful acid, it etches the aluminum and takes the mirror finish away and leaves the aluminum a bit cloudy in appearance. But it is instantly noticeable that the aluminum is clean and etched. It's also apparent that it has also cleaned the dimple holes as its run through the rivet holes.
Everything gets a wipe down again with a clean cloth, and then another once over with MEK.
Well I will say this. Mixing proseal up is a breeze. Just weigh the parts out (10:1) according to my components. and mix. I have jumbo craft popsicle sticks that I bought at Michaels craft store. Worked like a charm. Applying the proseal is a bit tricky with popsicle sticks.
I tackled the fuel filler cap first. I was sure to figure out my rivet call outs before starting proseal. I also grabbed to vent clips and put them in a visible location so I would not forget them.
(really hard to proseal and take pictures at the same time) so sorry....few pictures.
I used a toothpick to place proseal in the rivet holes. I then placed tape over the rivets and flipped the skin over. I backbuttered the skin and flange and installed the assembly. I then back riveted the fuel flange. made sure the vent clip was in the right place.
Once I was done, I painted a layer over top of the flange with proseal. I then bent the vent clip into position and touched up with proseal.
I cleaned up the proseal around the rivets with polywipes (available from Aircraft spruce). The wipes are fairly dry and to a great job of removing proseal. The fact that the wipes are dry is good since it mitigates the worry of compromising the proseal under the rivet head the way a wet MEK soaked rag may do.
Since I had a small amount of proseal left, I completed the right tank access anti-hangup bracket.
Ready for more....I decided to jump into the tank access rings. I used the same method as the fuel flange. Back buttered both pieces.
but then...this is where things get a bit ugly. I had posted a questions on Vans Airforce about how much of the NAS nutplates that I needed to encapsulate with proseal (as the manual states that I can leave the standard nutplates non-prosealed. The consensus was to seal them up. So I back buttered the top of the stiffener ring, cleaned out the screw hole, placed the NAS nutplate on and tried to rivet. Riveting these things is really tough. I cant really backrivet due to the tight clearance of the rivet to the nutplate body. So I elected to use the squeezer. Again....clearance is really tough and there is potential to not get a good seat on the rivet with the dies. I managed to screw up a few rivets and had to drill a few out. Not fun with proseal already on. Lots of cleaning and inspecting.
Once all was done and I was happy. I then set to work at sealing up the NAS nutplates.
I spent a good deal of time cleaning up the messy proseal to a point where i was happy with the end result. Not pretty but it's sealed well!!!
Saturday, May 21, 2016
Even more tank prep - 7 hours
A big day at it finally!! I finished up preping the odds and ends with the nylon wheel.
I finished the tank access stiffeners and the outboard rib stiffeners.
One important item that I wanted to take care of was ensuring that all of the tank nose ribs where cleaned up had proper rib flange faceting as noted in the Van's manual. Darin, another local builder had warned me how important this was to have a clean and smooth leading edge. So I was very diligent to not be cavalier with this step.
I used files (flat and round) to take down the sharp edges and them smoothed them with scotchbrite on the 3M wheel.
I then deburred all the holes in the ribs. This is not an easy process. Accessibility to the flange rivet holes is fine, but getting to the inside is another story. The leading edge ribs are not fun as the tight fit/clecos have a tenancy to make more pronounced burrs that don't come off easily. I ended up using a combination of a light deburr and a once over with scotchbrite on the dremel to ensure no burrs.
Finally I was ready to dimple the ribs with the tank dies.
Then it was the same process on the stiffeners. Clean, deburr, nylon wheel, dimple.
I finished the tank access stiffeners and the outboard rib stiffeners.
One important item that I wanted to take care of was ensuring that all of the tank nose ribs where cleaned up had proper rib flange faceting as noted in the Van's manual. Darin, another local builder had warned me how important this was to have a clean and smooth leading edge. So I was very diligent to not be cavalier with this step.
I used files (flat and round) to take down the sharp edges and them smoothed them with scotchbrite on the 3M wheel.
I then deburred all the holes in the ribs. This is not an easy process. Accessibility to the flange rivet holes is fine, but getting to the inside is another story. The leading edge ribs are not fun as the tight fit/clecos have a tenancy to make more pronounced burrs that don't come off easily. I ended up using a combination of a light deburr and a once over with scotchbrite on the dremel to ensure no burrs.
Finally I was ready to dimple the ribs with the tank dies.
Then it was the same process on the stiffeners. Clean, deburr, nylon wheel, dimple.
Friday, May 20, 2016
More final tank prep - 2.5 hours
Once I was happy with the matting surface of the skin with a few second passes over here and there it was time to dimple with the tank dies.
I made quick work of the tanks skins. Next was to start the prep work on the ribs. I traced out the necessary areas on the ribs and miscellaneous pieces and went to work with the nylon brush and the cordless drill.
I made quick work of the tanks skins. Next was to start the prep work on the ribs. I traced out the necessary areas on the ribs and miscellaneous pieces and went to work with the nylon brush and the cordless drill.
Thursday, May 19, 2016
Final tank prep - 3.5 hours
Its funny when you say that you are ready to proseal but really there is still much to do. There is lots of holes to debur. This gets to be a long process. I managed to do the left skin and after have very sore fingers!
I need to go over each area where proseal makes contact with a nylon wheel brush. I used the air drill but soon found that the compressor just couldn't keep up and was running quite hot and the air was getting moist (the air dryer couldn't keep up). So I ditched the pneumatic drill in favor of the electric drill.
Takes a bit of getting used to to ensure good coverage and straight lines but I was successful in the end. The first pass is made, and then a second pass is done to form a criss-cross pattern. The key is to try to keep your lines/passes straight, while applying just enough pressure to score the aluminum but not dig too deep. Its easy to maintain the right pressure, but a little more tricky to hold it straight.
Going slow helps a lot.
I managed to prep the skins of both tanks.
I need to go over each area where proseal makes contact with a nylon wheel brush. I used the air drill but soon found that the compressor just couldn't keep up and was running quite hot and the air was getting moist (the air dryer couldn't keep up). So I ditched the pneumatic drill in favor of the electric drill.
Takes a bit of getting used to to ensure good coverage and straight lines but I was successful in the end. The first pass is made, and then a second pass is done to form a criss-cross pattern. The key is to try to keep your lines/passes straight, while applying just enough pressure to score the aluminum but not dig too deep. Its easy to maintain the right pressure, but a little more tricky to hold it straight.
Going slow helps a lot.
I managed to prep the skins of both tanks.
Tuesday, May 17, 2016
Right tank skin prep - 2 hours
Still battling a lack of desire to build (now that spring is here and there is so much outside work to do), I managed to get a couple of hours of work in on the right tank skin. First order of business is to de-vinyl the outside tank. Then, I deburred. Once I was happy with all of that. I wiped down everything with MEK.
Its getting late and I'm yawning.
Its getting late and I'm yawning.
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